Do the events of the Dragon Ball movies happen to some extent in the series? I say this because near the end, you can start to see the dragon ball z style coming, they start doing some of the stuff you see so much of in Z. When I finished it, and in my head I mostly connected to where DBZ starts, i felt like DB was the better show. I have just started watching the Dragon Ball series. There are parts of the Buu saga that I think are some of the best parts of Dragonball Z. This way we can enjoy the higher fidelity without missing out on the story. His grand plan is to... send his nine year old son, who is apparently for some reason THE STRONGEST FIGHTER IN THE UNIVERSE, to fight the greatest threat in the entire universe. My question is which one should I watch Dragon Ball Z or Dragon Ball Kai. He’s a sniveling, snarky bastard throughout, not even caring about his son, the future version of his son, or the woman he had a son with. Dragonball Z has two problems that really don’t fly in 2018. This doesn’t make it any more acceptable by stretch of the imagination, but if this is something that bothers you and you still want to watch DBZ, you won’t have to worry about it happening often, and almost all of it happens in the Buu saga. Goku’s got a plan, right? Wow, I Wrote A Lot More Than I Thought I Would. How did Frieza come to know of the dragon balls? DBZ Kai is comparable to any anime that has been ruined by 4Kids (the 4Kids version of DBZ Kai is a bad relatively. Frieza’s right and left hand men, Zarbon and Dodoria, are about equal to Vegeta and Frieza himself vastly outclasses everyone combined. User Info: Fanservicelover. I read the summary and it basically said it is the same as Dragon Ball Z without all the extra stuff. Five minutes later, he touches a sixteen year old girl’s breast. First off, Dragon Ball Z Kai doesn't include anything from Dragon Ball, which is the story of Goku as a child.Secondly, the main difference is that Kai lacks the filler content of the original Dragon Ball Z, and stops at the end of the Cell saga.. By filler I mean content not originally in the manga. Didn't Supreme Kai know Beerus in the early episodes? This is expensive and is a hell of a dive if you’ve never seen DBZ and don’t know if you like it, so I can understand if you don’t want to go this way. Sure, there were reused animations but that was ok. And it made me realize that ALL of dragon ball z is like the final arc of dbz (ignoring that gt and now super come after). Gohan to embrace his inner anger to defeat Cell. The other thing I want to talk about doesn’t get brought up quite so much, but Master Roshi’s actions towards women didn’t sit well with me. That's about all I can think of. And that promise is delivered, with the fight between Vegeta and Goku being one of the craziest up to that point in Dragonball. Gohan’s now a sixteen year old and his mother thinks he’ll be better off if he actually participates in society a little before going out into the real world. Turns out a lot to say. The way I watched it, and the way I recommend watching it, is getting Seasons 1-4 of DBZ Kai and DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters Part 1-3 on DVD or Blu-Ray, total 167 episodes. There's some great characters here and some good moments, plus we get introduced to King Kai's counterparts, as well as Grand Kai, and Pikkon. happen in both Z and Kai but this clashes with the head crushing. And it’s great! What we’ve got is a racist caricature stuck in eternal servitude, forever fated to cater to the whims of whatever being currently serves as Earth’s “guardian”. are seen MAGICALLY on the scene. The only other time this show gets this unsettling is when Frieza does largely the same thing to Vegeta. By filler I mean content not originally in the manga. Fights were slower so people had time to be more creative in battle, characters had to travel and go on adventures. Yet During the Frieza saga you get to However, DBZ comes first and is the unchanged, original version of the show(except translations). It’s a ridiculous story, packed with characters that can blow up mountains at a whim and sense “power levels” from the other side of the universe. The Saiyan Saga is neither particularly long nor terribly complicated, even by Dragonball standards, but it does do a great job of setting up everything else in the series. Future Trunks, what’s going on, why are the Androids in your time murderous dicks and the Androids in our time nothing more than super-powered joy-riding car-stealing shoplifting teenagers? When that eventually happens, I started paying attention again, but the fight between Vegetto and Super Buu also kinda isn’t great. Kai has a much more faithful-to-the-Japanese English dub than Z does, and as a result, it is often recommended for new viewers who do not wish to watch the series subtitled. The challenges and events he faces, as well as the people he meets, all influence the person he becomes later on. However, there are enough other well-liked shounen series (including OG Dragon Ball, which has a jammin' OP that I might argue is equal to Cha-La Head Cha-La) that I need to see (and don't require me to buy like 7 sets of blu-rays at $30 each) that this will probably end up being a back burner kinda thing. As for censorship, some scenes where updated to fit the new standards of Japanese Television. In American productions of the anime (namely dubs), there could have been further censoring. Dragon Ball Z Kai. They even find ways to make sure that the fighting isn’t just ye olde Dragonball punches and kicks and energy blasts, too, and when it is just that, there’s still something else going on somewhere to keep the audience invested in the plot. If that sounds cool to you, then Dragonball Z will probably be your jam. There are some important exceptions, however.First, Dragon Ball GT is considered non-canon. © 2020 GIANT BOMB, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. YES! And is anything censored in Kai that is not censored in the others? We’re given enough to know that these guys were once Goku’s rivals and are now his friends, and then we see them get wiped out with ease, establishing that things are going to get way crazier than they’ve ever been. So then everyone shows up on Namek and we see people that even Vegeta fears. Dragon Ball is one of the oldest and most beloved anime series over the decades. Also, Vegeta probably wouldn’t have any of that. Which parts of Dragon Ball GT do not follow the original Dragon Ball story? What we’ve got is a fat black character with giant lips who appears behind a window and scares the ever-living shit out of Bulma. I haven’t seen any of the movies but I’m pretty sure most of them are non-canon. The showrunners for Kai tried to change as little as possible from DBZ, but certain changes just couldn't be helped. But I found myself wondering why everyone can’t just stop and think about the Androids for a second. I remember seeing the last of the fight with Frieza and the first of the Cell Saga as a kid and everything that happens when he shows up is awesome. Now I am confused as to whether watch the Dragon Ball Z or the Dragon Ball Z Kai series. site design / logo © 2020 Stack Exchange Inc; user contributions licensed under cc by-sa. I’ve spent the past month and some change thinking about this show when I wasn’t watching it, writing bits and pieces of this whole post down in different places, and just letting Dragonball Z churn around in my head whenever I could. I watched the first 6 seasons like 10 years ago and loved them, but stopped. And there’s really no way around it by the time of DBZ – the Lookout serves as a sort of home-base for the heroes and Mr Popo is known and loved by all the characters. Very much! Still, I have no complaints as it is. How can Goku sense King Kai and Supreme Kai(s), but not Lord Beerus? To subscribe to this RSS feed, copy and paste this URL into your RSS reader. After getting into Dragonball Fighter Z, my little brother decided to buy all of Dragonball Z Kai. So much is cut from Z, it's sort of depressing. Vegeta’s character arc works really well here. I thought the whole Gohan thing was pretty great as a kid, too, and a defining moment of the whole series for me back then. Otherwise, I’d suggest not watching the movies until after watching the show. Going through this stuff again has been a hell of a nostalgia trip. Please enable it to continue. But large parts of this saga were either baffling or boring. Definitely anime for DBZ and beyond though. If Toriyama wasn’t trolling before, he has to be now, right? One fan decided to comb through hours of Naruto content and edit the version down to a shorter version. I had to stop. With all the strong characters this show has I just wish they'd let Vegeta just save the day just once. As someone who has personally watched both, I must say that I only enjoyed Kai because I was able to fill in the details myself. The most audacious scene in the entire show comes in when a plane crashes and Master Roshi falls into Android 18’s lap, with 18’s outstretched arm catching her five or six year old daughter. He doesn’t actually appear all that much in Kai, but he is a key part of a handful of plot points and thus needs to exist. The English dub here isn’t complete garbage, but it’s definitely not as good as the Kai version. I’m not particularly uptight on this sort of thing, generally. It’s the most embarrassing part of a show where the final boss is an evil sentient piece of Dubble-Bubble. But then the Androids let everyone live, they even ensure that one guy can still walk so he can get senzu beans to all the others. A year or two after dbz finally ended (airing on tv in the mid-2000's), I wanted more and went back to dragonball. Plans get made, intense fights are had, entire planets are turned into rubble, the animation quality gets a bump again, and it all looks and feels great and intense. I think this stretch of episodes is also some pretty great Dragonball – Dabura is a threatening enough villain, Babidi is an entertaining cackling madman, and the fights are better-animated than ever before. I think this might be the longest thing I have written out since college, actually! You’ve probably already guessed what I’m talking about just by reading that sentence. You can watch it ad-supported for free up through episode 10, but then you’ll have to pay for one of their subscriptions, which are around ten US bucks a month. Some (like myself) enjoyed the filler, while others thought it to be extra fluff. And that does happen. Spopovich won’t ring her out, either, he keeps her in the ring and standing so that he can continue wailing on her. Garlic Jr. saga doesn't appears on comics, and it's based on a plot that comes from an OVA which was plot-incompatible with the series, so it's possibly the best part to cut. If you want to portray him as a wise old man who is also a bit of a perv, there are plenty of ways to do that without scenes like the above. Cell pukes up Android 18 and blows himself up at some point. If you’re up for it, watch The History of Trunks after that character gets his introduction. Why doesn't NASA release all the aerospace technology into public domain? 18 throws him into the side of the plane. Dragon Ball Kai isn't just the best version of Dragon Ball Z, it's the only version of Dragon Ball Z anyone should ever watch, for anything other than purely nostalgic reasons. By canon, fans mean that the particular series or movie primarily followed the original manga series and was made with input from the creator – Akira Toriyama. Akira Toriyama had little to no input on the series and was not happy with how it turned out. Stack Exchange network consists of 176 Q&A communities including Stack Overflow, the largest, most trusted online community for developers to learn, share their knowledge, and build their careers. Much of this was cut in Kai, and so, unless you've already seen DBZ, it might seem a little choppy. I started watching Kai from the time jump last month, and whatever I'm missing doesn't really matter because I'm loving the pacing so much. It alternates between being really annoying and actually pretty funny, but by the time Fat Buu was taken out of the picture, I was more than ready to move on. Kami even points this out and Piccolo doesn’t want to hear any of it, he just gets a power boost and gets into a fight with them. As a plus, it uses the original soundtrack, so you get Cha-La Head Cha-La as your opening! Everyone seems to think he does and he kind of acts like he does, but he doesn’t tell anybody. When Super Buu shows up, everything gets worse. Dragon Ball's biggest problem is that with the exception of a select few fights they always need Goku to save the day. Have issues surrounding the Northern Ireland border been resolved? I'm not saying that I hate it (I actually love the theme song called 'Dragon Soul'. The Frieza Saga Is Still One Hell Of A Thing. Only, Videl doesn’t know who Gohan is because he’s in his Great Saiyaman costume – a costume which everyone except Gohan finds lame as hell. Dragon Ball Z Kai and Dragon Ball Z are the same thing. Dragonball Z’s action ramps up again at a great pace. But Videl has no idea what she’s in for and she winds up witnessing Goten, a seven year old, blow up a boulder with nothing but an outstretched palm and a thought. And then Majin Buu himself is born. If I watch only Dragon Ball Z Kai, do I miss anything I would get by watching the other two series? And right before this, Goku even threw Cell a senzu bean because “he wants to see Gohan pushed to his limit”. If you go back in and re-color him, as 4Kids attempted to do, it just looks absolutely terrible. Here, we’ve got a pervy old man – who is otherwise presented as wise and old – purposefully doing unwelcome things to a woman. Much like most of the fights in Dragonball Z, there’s not tons to talk about once Goku shows up. rev 2020.12.18.38240, The best answers are voted up and rise to the top, Anime & Manga Stack Exchange works best with JavaScript enabled, Start here for a quick overview of the site, Detailed answers to any questions you might have, Discuss the workings and policies of this site, Learn more about Stack Overflow the company, Learn more about hiring developers or posting ads with us. ive been feeling like getting into dragon ball lately, but i dont know which series to watch first. Given the facts, you can make up your mind as to which you will watch, but in my humble opinion I would go with the originals first, and later on, if you want, you can look into Kai as an abridgment. But there’s not a ton to really say about them. The whole thing ends in a great big Kamehameha beam struggle and then done. Later, we get the Ginyu Force, and each of those guys are hammy enough to carry an entire 80’s cartoon on their own shoulders. He is presented as pretty damn strong, able to hold two Super Saiyan kids back at once. Fanservicelover 6 years ago #1. Normally, the name “Mr. Dragon Ball Recut [COMPLETE], Dragon Ball Kai Recut [WIP, Saiyan to Cell COMPLETE], Dragon Ball Z Recut [WIP] Post by IAmTheMilkMan » Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:59 am A while ago, I completed an edit of Dragon Ball wherein I removed as much filler as I possibly could. He’s still a bad guy here. Buu Saga is really helped by the otherworld tournament and the great saiyaman. If I remember correctly it was based after the return from Namek. Wrap it up and go home, let’s wish back everyone that Cell killed. Kai's dialog is heavily edited compared to the original and I feel like it looses alot of it's charm in the process. Some people might complain that this fight lasts too long, and they’re not totally wrong. I became a fan all over again, and for this reason I have been excited for Dragon Ball Super: Broly since its reveal. Gohan gets tossed around, gets angry, becomes a Super Saiyan 2, and tosses Cell around. There were no moments throughout where I was not entertained or engaged in some way, apart from Bulma and Chi-Chi being irritating characters that don’t actually appear all that often. Dragonball is for sure amazing and I still have slightly more affection for it than Z or beyond to be honest. There’s fighting, and it’s all good stuff. As for us in the UK, we watched Funimation's dub until the introduction of Trunks, then we were shifted into watching the Ocean Dub for the remainder of the Cell arc. If the idea of two beings of immeasurable power fighting to the death underneath a darkening sky among geysers of lava sounds like a bunch of cheesy, overdramatic bullshit... well, you’re not wrong¸ and you also probably won’t really like DBZ. In some cases though, this could affect how some see the development of characters. And it all works for making some fantastic tension. Really good write up! Not to mention I've yet to see Yamcha use his technique The Wolf Fang Fist. But the voice actors for Kai annoy the living **** out of me. Future Trunks doesn’t really get to do a whole lot after that, other than be completely frustrated at all of the other Saiyans in the show. DBZ wouldn’t be anything without equally larger-than-life characters and the inherent comedy they bring about when on-screen. But it’s not just the crazy fights that make Dragonball Z so much fun. http://www.konbini.com/us/entertainment/dragon-ball-master-roshi-sexual-harassment-japanese-ethics-board/. the kai one is for little kids. Not sure if this needs to be updated, since at this point DBZ Kai doesn't end at the Cell saga. But I plan to buy all 291 episodes of the original. Follow this ultimate list of Dragon Ball Watch Order to enjoy your watch! No episode passes without a gag or joke of some sort, and no episode passes without something awful happening to someone. It feels like the one Toriyama had the most fun with and the brightest vision for. I wish they had been removed from Kai entirely – they should have been, and it seems the Japanese agree with me. But, the show should have ended a long time ago. Ski holidays in France - January 2021 and Covid pandemic. Vegeta’s pretty great here. Also the episodes titles seem too long. If I didn’t know there were more to the show, I’d assume they couldn’t go any crazier than this (Kid Buu does, but that’s much later in the show). id rather watch kai because its shorter and has less filler but z is what everyone raves about so idk Dragon Ball (1986) Dragon Ball Z (1989-1996) Dragon Ball GT (1996-1997) Dragon Ball Z Kai (2009-2011) Dragon Ball Super (2015-2018) As such, I personally don't hold the same love for the Cell arc and think that the Frieza arc is the absolute best arc of Dragon Ball. With the Saiyan and Frieza arcs, Goku went through three different voice actors, and the entire voice cast was changed by the time he arrived on Namek. In Fullmetal Alchemist, Edward Elric falls in such a way that his hand lays on the breast of a woman he’s fighting. The arc itself has some of the most questionable writing and character moments of the entire series which really undermines its excellent emotional moments. Release Order I. TV Series. 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